LV security guard restores order in post-war Middle East
by JAMIE GIRO and DAVID VOGEL
For many people, the war in Iraq is yesterday’s news and they’ve already returned to regularly scheduled programming. However, for Longview employees Paul Gorham and John Thulin, the reality of war is just now making itself known and doing so in a way that most of us will never experience. Gorham and Thulin are Army reservists who have recently been called to active duty and stationed at Ft. Riley as part of the 1139th Military Police. They’re awaiting deployment to Iraq.
Long after most of the U.S. forces have left Iraq, media coverage of the conflict is out of the headlines and raging debates about the war have quieted to whisper, Gorham and Thulin will be in the middle east doing a job. With unknown enemies hiding among the Iraqi citizenry and the threat of being a sniper’s target a constant possibility, theirs is the task of helping to keep civil peace and restore order in the war’s aftermath.
While awaiting his impending “go” orders to be issued, Gorham sat down with The Current’s David Vogel for an interview concerning his deployment and his views on the war. Following are excerpts from that interview:
What are your initial feelings about heading over there?
PG: I hate it. You want to know the truth – I really do because I leave my friends and my family, especially my family, but I know that it’s a necessary evil. I mean, take a look at those buildings, (the World Trade Center in flames). You know what I’m saying? To me, it’s a necessary evil. As far as whether the president is right or wrong, all he’s got to do is say “go”. I’m a soldier. I have to go when he tells me to go. But, initially, I just hate leaving my family and friends.
What about some of the feedback you’ve received from them?
PG: They support me. They’re very supportive on it, they miss me. I’ve got a nine-year-old little girl and a son that just turned 18 yesterday. I’ve got a step-daughter that’s going to have a kid in May and I’m going to be a grandfather and missing out. But they’re all very supportive, especially my kids. I went to Kosovo in October of ’01 and stayed there until May of ’02, and they were a little bit younger, not as supportive as far as being a pain in the butt to their mom! My little girl, she doesn’t understand it, nine years old, and I don’t really know how to help her understand it. So what I do with her, she’s got a mission while I’m gone and that’s to keep my pillow warm. I just let her know every so often that I couldn’t (go over there) without her keeping my pillow warm, so that makes her a part of it.
How do you feel the war has gone thus far?
PG: I’m not surprised. I’m actually kind of glad it’s like this. As far as how the war was going to go, the only thing I’m concerned about is Al-Qaeda. I’m sure they’re going to have something to say about this as time goes on. It’s kind of hard getting a terrorist organization as compared to a government. The government I knew was going down. We did this once before, they folded underneath us. Nothing seems to have changed their frame; they’re fighting for a guy that they’re afraid of. You know, for some reason, when you’re afraid of somebody and you’re fighting for them, it’s not the same thing as something you can get behind and really believe in.
Do you think we’ve hit Al-Qaeda significantly, or are they still in full force?
PG: My opinion is that we’ve hit them significantly. Everywhere that we’ve gone they’ve crumbled in a matter of days. . . . The guys I’m with, they’re a bunch of great guys. It’s funny because when we were in Kosovo it was the same thing. When I first hooked up with these guys, it was like, “Man, I have to put my life in the hands of these guys!” By the time we got over there, I realized that that was a good thing, that they were capable of holding up. That’s what I feel about the Army – we take people from all walks of life and turn them into a team.
How is the military prepared to fight an underground force?
PG: We’ve done this once before in Vietnam. They didn’t fight in conventional ways and actually Saddam’s troops didn’t fight in conventional ways, either. There are rules of engagement and laws of war that you have to go by. The United States is very good about training us on those and they do let us know that if you cross one of them, you will be prosecuted for war crimes violation. We wouldn’t sign the U.N.’s treaty on that because we prosecute our own and because of our constitution, we don’t want them coming in and just yanking our people out.
How do you feel about us fighting on several different fronts?
PG: It wouldn’t be the first time we’ve done that – it looks like it’s not going to be the last. I figure sooner or later they’re going to have to start the draft in order to do that, though. My line of thinking is that they would have to start the draft in order to fight on [different fronts]. I hate that because my personal feeling, having an 18 and 19-year-old, is that I don’t think anyone under the age of 25 should have to meet their first, youngest adult years in life on a field of combatÖ As far as multiple fronts, it’s possible to do. Like I said, we’ve done it before, so I think we can do it.
How much longer do you think we’ll be in Iraq and do you see a significant need for policing?
PG: Yeah, we’re going to have to. This is what we did to them last time: went in, got them to rise up against him, left them alone. Same thing with Afghanistan; went in, helped them get the Russians out, left them alone, let the power back in there. We’ve got to make sure that they can pick themselves a leader under whatever form of government they choose, and get a government set up, but it takes time. Kosovo has proven that. We’ve been there for four years, almost five, and they’re just now getting government set up. It takes timeÖ I picture we could be there, my guess would probably be ten years. But then as soon as we get [the job completed], we need to get out.
Do you think we should use the U.N.?
PG: In Iraq? No. I’m against it. They sat there on our soil and talked us down like dogs. I’m absolutely against the use of the U.N. The nations that went in there and volunteered, the coalition of the willing, should be the ones to help set up the government. My line of thinking is that if they didn’t help us with it, they don’t need to be involved with it. I believe that the U.N. proved that they are an irrelevant government body by choosing to do what they did. The people of Iraq proved to me that we need to be in there when they were jumping on that statue of Sadaam. That validated to me us being there.
What would you say to those who worry that we are there for oil or territory?
PG: That’s bunk. I don’t think we are. We’re not there for territory. We don’t own Japan and we don’t own Germany, yet we’ve been there. We defeated those guys in major war.
The Middle East is a dangerous place to be. It’s very volatile and, as far as the world goes, we don’t need their oil. We’ve got our own.
Did you agree with the preemptive strike against Iraq?
PG: Yes. If we didn’t, we’d again have what happened on 9/11. I hate it, but it’s the truth. If we got evidence that someone is doing something that could bring us harm, to me it’s better to do the preemptive strike and get it out of the way than it is to sit there and let them come to us. Three thousand people were lost, and there is no telling how many people were affected by that loss. As a nation we all were. I was. That just tore me up to sit there and watch those buildings get destroyed. Those people died for what? A bunch of guys that have their turbans on too tight over there and don’t like us for some reason? That’s not right. That was an act of war. We should have done this a long time ago.
This interview was conducted on Friday, April 11, 2003.
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